charleyfarley 11:02 Mon Dec 22
Clarke Carlisle fighting for life
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Clarke Carlisle was airlifted to Leeds General infirmary with life threatening injuries after being hit by a lorry on Monday morning
The reason for the accident remains unclear
The former QPR defender went on to become chairman of the PFA
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2884045/Clarke-Carlisle-fighting-life-hospital-hit-lorry-A64.html#ixzz3MfIV1tJi
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Rossal
2:54 Fri Feb 6
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WHOicidal Maniac 10:16 Fri Feb 6
Great post
I can see the mental torture of depression and being suicidal but can also see Ralf Little's point of view.
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Pancho
11:28 Fri Feb 6
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His battered face reminds me of Chris Whyte's barnet.
Never forget.
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charleyfarley
11:27 Fri Feb 6
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Whoicidal we all understand your sympathies with depression and suicide, all we are saying as a minimum SOMEBODY TAKE HIS BLOODY CAR KEYS OFF HIM this bloke has the potential to wreak havoc. He can't be followed around to make sure he doesn't run out in front of trucks we just have to hope this doesn't happen
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Bungo
11:21 Fri Feb 6
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WHOicidal Maniac 10:57 Fri Feb 6
Wise post.
There seem to some on here who cannot get to grips with the simple fact that the genuinely suicidal are not able to think rationally, and cannot have their actions judged by 'normal' rational standards.
Continuing the analogy that you have made, suggesting that somebody depressed enough to jump in front of a lorry is acting selfishly, is similar to suggesting that somebody that develops terminal cancer in order to deprive their wife and children of their company is also acting selfishly.
Both illnesses - NOT CHOICES!
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WHOicidal Maniac
10:57 Fri Feb 6
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It seems to be the trend among people that they cant hold two separate thoughts in their heads on any one subject. There always has to be a Hero and there always had to be a Villain.
I have sat with family and friends of a suicide victim (yes,Victim) while they were still hanging in their bedrooms. Its so sad and you cant help but have your heart go out to them., the difference is that they are all victims of what has happened. Blame is the last thing required.
Like I said with the cancer analogy, If a terminal patient decides to end his life, we have sympathy for both....We dont blame the Cancer patient for wanting out and we have sympathy for the family for their current pain and their eventual loss...
With Cancer, we have charities and support from diagnosis to the last breath and they do wonderful work, but the people who have the debilitation in their mind are often told to 'snap out of it'.
We can not keep treating mental health as though its a kid with ADHD. Half of us believe its a condition, half of us believe its just a bratty kid that needs a slap....We need to treat Mental illness as seriously as we treat Cancer. Suicide is the last 'fuck you' of terminal cancer of the mind.
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Westham67
10:50 Fri Feb 6
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But the man has a massive drinking problem according to Little, stop drinking ffs
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Tommy Dickfingers
10:48 Fri Feb 6
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Nobody is suggesting CC is a cunt for trying to take his own life. Gutting if anything, nobody should ever have to go through that kind of mental torture
But certain quarters are suggesting he should get a leg up by the FA and that`s just wrong. If everyone on here was given a career bump every time they got pissed and fed up with life most of us would now be managers or CEO`s. Hairyspotter would probably even be prime minister
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Sarah Ballpalsy
10:47 Fri Feb 6
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Yes
I raise money for PACE.
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worm
10:40 Fri Feb 6
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Does your compassion stretch to people with Cerebal Palsy?
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Sarah Ballpalsy
10:27 Fri Feb 6
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I feel for Carlise, I also feel for his friends and family, the lorry driver and his family and all the people affected by him.
Feeling for all those concerned does not mean that he should be forgotten though. Hopefully the media coverage of it will have a positive affect on him but also on many others who suffer in silence and who think they are on their own.
It's things like this that make me try to be as nice as possible to people, smile at strangers, say a few words to the old lady in the shop, ask the postman how he is, thank the dustman as he picks the rubbish up and make allowances for people who snap at me. Carlisle to an extent is a lucky one as everyone he sees now will know his struggles - there are still plenty out there that nobody knows about. Hopefully by being nice to strangers it may brighten their day if only for 5 mins. For those closer it makes you realise you need to open up to people and really talk to those you care about.
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Westham67
10:26 Fri Feb 6
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WHOicidal Maniac 10:16 Fri Feb 6
Cheers , that was quite interesting
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Eggbert Nobacon
10:25 Fri Feb 6
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that the thing here for me charley
there are 2 issues
1 is depression which I have absolute sympathy for
the other is drink driving which if yyou've been caught 5 times then you probably do all the fckig time
for that nio sympathy the mans a cunt
I've have never once heard that a side effect of depression is getting in your cdar pissed over snd over again
as Little says he's using his illness as an excuse there
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charleyfarley
10:23 Fri Feb 6
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Whoicidal, presumably during your time in the Police you witnessed a lot of grieving families who had lost somebody due to drink drivers
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Northern Sold
10:21 Fri Feb 6
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WHOicidal Maniac 10:16 Fri Feb 6
was everyone of those suicides you went to a vegan??
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Eggbert Nobacon
10:19 Fri Feb 6
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WHOicidal Maniac 6:06 Thu Feb 5
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"is how far does the sympathy stretch?"
What if Carlisle was your son? How far would your sympathy stretch then.?..
What if your son was the lorry driver? or a bloke hurt when this prick was drink driving
how much sympathy would YOU have then?
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WHOicidal Maniac
10:16 Fri Feb 6
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During my time in the Police, I went to 17 suicides, all by various ways and each one of them left me feeling shaken.
My first was a call to a couples retreat when the Husband, after being told that the relationship was over by his, went straight to the nearest off licence and got a bottle of Vodka and had a pill party in the nearby woods. He walk for about 4 mile before the pills kicked in and fell face down against a Hedge smashing his face apart on the way down. Turned out he was a old workmate of mine growing up but I didnt recognise him. He left behind 3 kids who idolised him
My last was a 72 year old Woman who was curled up in bed and had taken all her pills in one hit because she was so damn lonely that life was of no real value to her.
Every one of the suicides in between had a story behind it that was as equally as dark and depressing. Each one chipped away at my ability to condemn them for being selfish or cowardly.
What I learned is that the MAJORITY (not all) of people who do kill themselves are not doing it as a call for help or for attention.
You dont walk 4 miles in to woods where dogs are needed to track you down if you want someone to notice you or you dont quaff two bottles of pills knowing that no one will care if you live or die anyway.
There are some pretty dark places that the mind can go to and to expect someone who is in that place to think and feel anything but torment is utterly stupid. Why would you care about the driver of the bus when you dont care about your own life, over riding every survival instinct that we are bred with?
Its strange how we can have two threads on this board, One about Cancer of the body and the other about Cancer of the mind and only one has unanimous agreement that its desperately sad while the other has people condemning others for the most drastic actions in their most desperate hour.
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worm
9:13 Fri Feb 6
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Yeah, Nobel prize winner for sure.
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Fivetide
10:42 Thu Feb 5
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I think this guy will eventually do great things in mental health. Hope so.
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Fivetide
10:41 Thu Feb 5
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The "if I was going to kill myself" argument never holds water. You have to realise how sick/low/desperate an individual is before they do this. And I don't mean taking a handful of pills or gashing a wrist with a thought to being saved and taken seriously. I mean throwing yourself under a train, off the 40th floor, hanging from a tree five miles from the nearest house etc... Rationality generally doesn't come into it.
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Whufc06
10:16 Thu Feb 5
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Saul - If you get to the point whereby you actually want to take your own life then I doubt you'll be in a position to rationalise your thoughts. I'm not saying I don't feel for the drivers whoever they may be but IMO it's not a straightforward as you say
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franksfat&slow&wank
10:02 Thu Feb 5
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That is a fair point Saul
Not sure I agree doing it which could potentially mess other peoples heads up is fair albeit these are people not thinking straight ?
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